Curse

Coloneh · Sep 06, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Hey everyone. got a new build for you with the GWEN skills.
oops i spelled Dwanya wrong

12+1+1=Mysticism
12+1=Scythe Mastery
and a decent sunspear rank is helpful
Zealous Scythe

Farmer's Scythe
Zealous Sweep
Radiant Scythe
Whirlwind Attack
[skill]Avatar of Dwayna[/skill]
Eternal Aura
Pious Fury
[skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill] (or [skill]Meditation[/skill] when with heroes/henchies)

Pros:
-Radiant scythe pumps out damage when fueled by zealous sweep and a zealous mod.
-Farmer's scythe deals incredible DPS to mobs, and Whirlwind attack is just free energy.
-Avatar of Dawayna is an incredible source of healing.
-Pious Fury is active the same percent of time as Heart of fury except that casting t more often heals you with AoD
-Immunity to Hexs
-No enchantments to get stripped of

Cons:
-Not very good against E-Denial.
-No Perma-Rez.
-no cndition Removal.

try it out, tell me what you think.

~ Dan ~ · Sep 07, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

How do you use Pious Fury effectively?

Strip Eternal Aura, Pious Fury is then recharged, next...?

EDIT: My bad, didn't realise Pious Fury works whether or not an enchant is stripped.

Coloneh · Sep 08, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54

i was hoping for at least a few comments. i thought it was inventive.

fujin · Sep 08, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

It's very good. Might wanna add to pros that you remove hexes just from attacking.

akh · Sep 08, 2007, 10:12 AM // 10:12

Radiant synergizes better with Lyssa imo. As for Pious try it with one of aoe enchantments (like aura of holy might or grenth's fingers).

Coloneh · Sep 08, 2007, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Radiant dosnt require more than 22 energy to get the max damage. I started using lyssa, but then realized i wasnt utilizing it at all. and burst enchantments just dont add enough to be worth taking out any of the other skills.

Mr Pink57 · Sep 08, 2007, 11:27 PM // 23:27

I really like this build. It stays away from the typical heavy enchant derv which I could not stand putting up constant enchants then maintaining them. I have one here and a stance (which I think needs to last longer spec'd that high). Plus Meditation is giving around a 170 heal.

EDIT: I think Farmer's Scythe will see its way into the 130 derv due to spamming it with no recharge and cheaper energy.

pink

Vyran · Sep 09, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Looks really good, IMO. Be great for mob farming!

~ Dan ~ · Sep 10, 2007, 08:14 AM // 08:14

Really nice build, i'm having alot of fun with it

I still choose Heart of Fury though. You said Pious Fury lasts about as long as Heart of Fury, but combined with Eternal Aura, hof is perma. But I guess you lose some extra healing and can't use Meditation in the build effectively, so I guess it's just preference.

boarderx · Sep 10, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

i still prefer Heart of Fury too. It also adds burning into the mix.

As for the no condition removal, or perma res, just change you 2ndary and swap out res sig for mend conditions(or other) or a res.

I played with the Radiant Scythe skill too, it was fun, i think i tried it with lyssa's assult and a zealous mod, but that was cuz i didnt have zealous attack yet, i havnt tried that one yet.

Im not a fan of Farmer's Scythe, i still like Victorious Sweep, good for added heal too if needed and has good dmg, and good recharge. Sure you can spam Farmer's but if your trying for high energy to get good output from Radiant then you dont want to drain your energy with farmers, but then again a zealous helps there too, ill have to play with it some.

Good build, has lots of room for tweaking depending on the area your in too.
*thumbs up*

Coloneh · Sep 10, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

the thing about Pious fury is that it also adds a ton of healing from dwanya. also when using it to remove eternal aura you get 12 seconds of IAS. also HOF is not permanent.

Mr Pink57 · Sep 11, 2007, 02:34 PM // 14:34

I did in fact drop Poius Fury, I dropped it for Drunken Master (Dwarven Title Track). The skill gives granted only a 12% speed and atk increase right now, but will go up to 25% standard and 33% when drunk lol, but it lasts over 1 minute and recharges in 60 sec so its a constant buff. You get it from collecting all the map pieces and trading them in in Umbra Grotto.

pink

boarderx · Sep 12, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

the thing about Pious fury is that it also adds a ton of healing from dwanya. also when using it to remove eternal aura you get 12 seconds of IAS. also HOF is not permanent.

it probably all about preference really, both are removable but with a chance of encht removal Pious would be better. IMO i still prefer HoF, i crunched a few numbers (i know ima dork, lol) for a 30 second interval since that is the recharge of HoF and Eternal Aura.

Pious Fury
in 30 secs Pious Fury can be used 4 times giving 22 secs of IAS.
Eternal Aura > 6sec of Pious Fury > 6sec of Pious Fury > 4 secs for rest of recharge > 6sec of Pious Fury > 4 secs of recharge > 6sec of Pious Fury = 32 secs
6+6+4+6+4+6=32, total energy cost 20 with no return from mysticism and depending on the build you removed more of you enchts(not the case in this build though)
Heart of Fury
in 30 secs Heat of Fury can be used once and lasts for 22.8 secs when used with a +20% encht mod (which i use often) at 14 Myst but if your running with Enchts you would want myst at 15 for the full +5energy return from enchts, anyway...
22.8secs of HoF and 7-8 secs without HoF = 30 secs (about the same as Pious). Extended HoF is possible if you have the timing dwn to stagger HoF and eternal aura (but you do adventually have HoF dwntime but not much), or if you run at 15 Myst then you have 24 secs of IAS), Total Energy 10 but you get 4-5 energy back when HoF ends. Plus Hof burns all nearby hoes for 3 secs(42dmg to each).

both are a +33% IAS

In a build where energy is needed for the Farmer's/Radiant Spike i'd rather use HoF to be able to spam farmers more or to keep more energy for Radiant. But against certain areas a stance IAS is much better. Im not trying to make you look bad i was just comparing the 2 IAS and thought id share my findings with you to help you see why i prefer HoF, again nice build though

that drunken master skills looks cool though!

Coloneh · Sep 13, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

ya, i did about the same calculations when planning it out. it origionally had Lyssa and HoF, but then i realized i was never using the energy boost from lyssa and that if i switched to Pious fury i still wasnt having any energy problems and i could use meditation, but HoF is still a great alternative, i just prefer Pious Fury.

Edit: according to guild wiki drunken master only provides a 15% speed and attack bonus. not worth it imo.

Evilsod · Sep 13, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

Radiant dosnt require more than 22 energy to get the max damage. I started using lyssa, but then realized i wasnt utilizing it at all. and burst enchantments just dont add enough to be worth taking out any of the other skills.

Now i've got round to bringing my Derv through GWEN the skills are pretty dissapointing...

Zealous Sweep sucks. Its recharge is horrible and you have to hit more than 1 target for it to actually gain you energy. Lyssa's Assault > Zealous Sweep. For some reason you don't like Lyssa's Assault, but you use this, even though its worse in almost every way?

Radiant Scythe is pretty dodgy. You need 32 energy to hit the max damage at 16 Scythe. You need 27 at 13 Scythe. You need more than 19 energy or you should just use Victorious Sweep, not that easy when your not using Avatar of Lyssa. If your not then your using attack skills that and far between just to maintain the damage from this 1 that your gimping your damage output.

Farmers Scythe is just crap for general use. A 10s recharge if you don't hit 2 targets? No thanks, i'll take a useful skill. I'm really getting sick of people trying to include it just because its a new skill even though it has no real use. If you want spammable damage... use Eremite's/Mystic, they're consistant.

Aura Slicer isn't worth mentioning... Cracked Armour has so few realistic methods of application.

Crippling Victory is just a PvP skill.

And Pious Fury is horrible. Removing an enchantment every so often is 1 thing... but having to remove 1 every 10 seconds just to keep your IAS up is useless. Just because YOUR build has no enchantments doesn't mean your prot monks feel the same way. Its not Rending Touch where you can choose the vital enchantments that need removing and sacrifice 1, or Signet of Pious Light where you'll be casting Vital Boon to be removed, your having to use it to maintain your damage no matter what useful enchantments you remove.

Your not even using Mystic/Eremite's... and when your using a build where the IAS isn't even up 100% of the time, skills that have a set attack speed should really be in there somewhere. Obviously you can't use Mystic in that build since your removing enchantments constantly, but you get the idea.

Sorry, but been inventive is 1 thing... but when its been inventive for the sake of using the new skills...

I have been meaning to try out Whirlwind Attack on my Dervish actually, i'll get round to it eventually.

~ Dan ~ · Sep 13, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Zealous Sweep sucks. Its recharge is horrible and you have to hit more than 1 target for it to actually gain you energy. Lyssa's Assault > Zealous Sweep. For some reason you don't like Lyssa's Assault, but you use this, even though its worse in almost every way?

For one, Zealous Sweep does more damage and costs less energy than lyssa's, allowing for a better net gain of energy. Also, you gain 4 of the 5 energy spent from just hitting one foe (zealous scythes are ftw).

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Radiant Scythe is pretty dodgy. You need 32 energy to hit the max damage at 16 Scythe. You need 27 at 13 Scythe. You need more than 19 energy or you should just use Victorious Sweep, not that easy when your not using Avatar of Lyssa. If your not then your using attack skills that and far between just to maintain the damage from this 1 that your gimping your damage output.

22 at 13 scythe. It's not hard to maintain that much energy.. and +44 damage, well.. hurts.

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Farmers Scythe is just crap for general use. A 10s recharge if you don't hit 2 targets? No thanks, i'll take a useful skill. I'm really getting sick of people trying to include it just because its a new skill even though it has no real use. If you want spammable damage... use Eremite's/Mystic, they're consistant.

You obviously don't use it except against balled enemies. When used it provides great pressure, consistant pressure. Eremite's / mystic have a recharge time.

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And Pious Fury is horrible. Removing an enchantment every so often is 1 thing... but having to remove 1 every 10 seconds just to keep your IAS up is useless.

The effect takes place whether or not you removed an enchantment. If you take a look at the build, the only enchantment removed gives an extra 6 secs of ias. With Dwayna AND meditation i don't see why the prot monks should be spamming so many enchants on you

I used this build and not once did i need to strip a monk enchant to have my ias...

Perfected Shadow · Sep 13, 2007, 02:02 PM // 14:02

I don't like stripping Aura of Holy Might, so I stick with HoF.

WarKaster · Sep 13, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

has anyone used HoF then striped it with Pious Fury right before it ends to get the 6 second IAS bonus + Burning?

If my math is correct (which it never is) theoretically this way you should be attacking 33% faster 100% of the time.

And before anyone flames on how retarded this idea is in my defense...I'm just sayin....

I personally haven't tried

wonderwyrm · Sep 13, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

I dont know, I didnt like the build, seems like eremites/mystic is instantaneous attack as opposed to these other three which seem to have an activation time.

Ive gotten use to haveing the extra 20 or whatever energy from lyssa on my bar.

~ Dan ~ · Sep 13, 2007, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

I don't like stripping Aura of Holy Might, so I stick with HoF.

Where is Aura of Holy Might in this build? This isn't a thread discussing Pious Fury.